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January 06, 2008

Comments

Terrence Berres

I notice that "shared space" as described is the opposite of "Complete Streets" as illustrated in your post a few weeks ago:
http://fullyarticulated.typepad.com/sprawledout/2007/12/from-the-comple.html

John Michlig

The Dutch connotation of "shared space" (which is described above) is indeed much different than what is viable here.

Mr. McIlheran appears to mock American attempts at traffic taming and shared public space by inferring that we would attempt the full-on the Dutch method.

Terrence Berres

He could infer that from your response to his post.

Speaking of much different, so far I haven't had the problems with Drexel Avenue that you seem to have.

John Michlig

By "my problems with Drexel Avenue," do you mean the nearly-hit-by-oncoming-truck in-the-pedestrian-lane problem, or my can't-restrain-myself-from-tossing-an-obscene-gesture problem? :)

Or, as the joke goes:
PATIENT: "Doctor, it hurts when I move my arm like this."

DOCTOR: "I have the cure. Don't move your arm like that."

In other words: Are you out there running as well? I hope you're not suggesting that the answer to my problem is to invest in a treadmill or health club membership!

Terrence Berres

Well, I've lived within a couple blocks of Drexel for a couple decades, and I've walked, run and biked on it some during that time without incident. I assume the drivers aren't playing favorites. Maybe we're just exploring the limits of anecdotal evidence.

As for gestures, you were the altar boy; next time try offering it up.

John Michlig

Could be a matter of frequency: I'm out there every two days in all kinds of weather, so I'm bound to run into (pardon the pun) more instances like the one I describe.

I didn't even mention the perfectly serene-looking soccer moms who go bombing through the subdivisions (speed limit: 25) at 40 mph minimum. (And how they look at me with a mystified expression as they brush by, having noticed me at the last second - "What are you DOING outside of a vehicle?")

Why are they going so fast? Because the street is engineered to make you feel secure at high speed. And that's ridiculous in residential areas - - the product of ENGINEERS who have long since taken over for thoughtful designers.

I had to go look up the Catholic connotation of "offer it up" (found at the "Happy Catholic" blog) - - it wasn't in common usage when I was at St. Mike's, but it's familiar.

And now that I'm reminded of what it means, you are absolutely right: Better to "offer it up" than deploy the middle finger. But the flesh is often weak ...

Bryan Maersch

John

You know that I live a block away from Drexel as you like to jog on our street.

I use to attempt to go bike riding on the Oak Leaf Trail between Drexel and Puetz when that's all there was to the trail.

There were several times I was afraid for my life and my children's just trying to get to and from the path. Now they have a parking lot on Drexel for you to take your bike to via car of course. In addition,

I have also experienced a car trying to pass another on Drexel coming straight for me, if I had not stopped and swerved into the emergency/bike lane, it would have been a head on collision, right past this was a Franklin Police car with a woman officer looking down reading something and she missed the whole thing.

John

Hey - I don't jog; I RUN! :)

Indeed, Drexel is a barrier for anyone who wants to traverse it without a vehicle. My daughter isn't allowed to cross it.

And I'm sure you share my view that anyone who doesn't see the sad irony in having to build a PARKING LOT for the walking/bike path isn't paying attention.

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